in Qing, china’s map was like a leaf, which include both inner and outer Mongolia, now we no longer look like a leaf, just a rooster(if Taiwan is the other rooster foot of course, together with Hainan)
You are absolutely right, China was geographically much larger during the Qing period. China formerly included all of Outer Mongolia plus parts of Russia, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan. It is shocking to look at a Qing era map and see how China has shrunk from its former borders.
China was in great disarray during its revolutionary period beginning with the Wuchang Uprising in 1911. Matters were made worse by Japan’s invasion in 1931 and subsequent Japanese military campaigns of terror. Chinese war lords (including Chiang Kai-shek), Japanese troops, and Communist forces battled for decades while China’s territorial integrity suffered.
Should we blame the ROC for China’s loss of territory? Probably yes, since ROC leaders contributed to the chaos that allowed China’s territory to be compromised. The ROC has caused great suffering and hardship for millions. Let’s present the ROC with a bill for China’s lost lands. I think the amount should equal the value of Taiwan, so return Taiwan to China and all is forgiven.
June 29th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
You are absolutely right, China was geographically much larger during the Qing period. China formerly included all of Outer Mongolia plus parts of Russia, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan. It is shocking to look at a Qing era map and see how China has shrunk from its former borders.
China was in great disarray during its revolutionary period beginning with the Wuchang Uprising in 1911. Matters were made worse by Japan’s invasion in 1931 and subsequent Japanese military campaigns of terror. Chinese war lords (including Chiang Kai-shek), Japanese troops, and Communist forces battled for decades while China’s territorial integrity suffered.
Should we blame the ROC for China’s loss of territory? Probably yes, since ROC leaders contributed to the chaos that allowed China’s territory to be compromised. The ROC has caused great suffering and hardship for millions. Let’s present the ROC with a bill for China’s lost lands. I think the amount should equal the value of Taiwan, so return Taiwan to China and all is forgiven.
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http://depts.washington.edu/chinaciv/1xarqing.htm
June 29th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
You can’t "blame" someone for losing something which did not belong to you. China didn’t "always have Mongolia"! Mongolia had been an independent country for over 500 years before the Qing invaded them in the mid-1700′s and slaughtered much of the population. By 1640, the Mongols had even conquered much of China. Following your logic, maybe northern China should be returned to Mongolia, since the Mongols conquered China first. Or, while you’re at it, why not blame the ROC for losing all of Mainland China to a bunch of militant pseudo-communist fascists who starved their own people to death during the "Great Leap Forward", and destroyed much of China’s history in their "Cultural Revolution"?
I fail to see what the extent of China’s borders at some distant point in history has to do with the modern world? Are you only attempting to point fingers at others, and/or stir up more trouble in continuing to promote a civil war which could have and should have been resolved peacefully decades ago? Furthermore, your PRC "rooster" only has one foot, because Taiwan is NOT and never has been a part of the PRC. Any poll of the Taiwanese would show they have no interest in owning the Mainland. It’s the CCP which keeps aggressively trying to relive some long ago lost glory days of the past, and threatening everyone around them. Each side of the strait should take what they have now, and be happy with it. The peaceful residents of Taiwan are more than willing to cooperate with that move; the CCP (and those like you who support its ideology of "insisting on conquering the world") still want to make war. If you insist on placing blame on someone for all the tragedy, turmoil, and human suffering in East Asia, I suggest you take your CCP-hearted eyes to a mirror, and face up to your responsibility. Then, ask yourself if you even know the meaning of the words "peace" and "mutual respect".
[You needn't listen to George; that persona is just another of BSherman's proxy accounts; he's got tons of them.]
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June 29th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
If you want peace, put down your weapons, pack away your missiles and grow up and accept that you need to deal with others on equal ground, even if you are potentially ‘stronger’ you need to respect others.
Anyone can claim to own other things. It does not make it true. Accept the truth that people are free and you are free to live your life in a better way than trolling internet forums and spouting lies. It basically means you are wasting your freedom on promoting lies. Instead of doing that you could try and set an example of a prosperous free, strong and respectful individual, as opposed to being a slave who repeats his masters dogma for an easy 50 cents. You can choose to be better, you can choose to be happier. Go live your life, get off your computer and make something with your hands are grow something in the dirt and do something that helps others feel happy, and you will find that you will be happier too.
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